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Originally Posted by Dominique
While
they may dress in uniforms similar to the US, and some of them have US
weapons, they aren't even close to US troops. Of the Georgian units
I've seen, only the Commandos had any disciple. The regular units had
SERIOUS disciple problems. They stole any and everything they could get
a hold of, including the radio and antenna mount off of the HMMWV the
NCOIC of their MiTT was driving. When confronted, their commander
claimed innocence until the NCOIC told them they would get nothing else
from the US military until his equipment was returned. So it
"magically" appeared that night.
In Kuwait, they were routinely caught steeling from other units, they
broke into shipping containers to steel MREs, and uniforms, many of
them got caught steeling form the PX, they set several structures on
fire because they were smoking in no smoking areas, etc., etc. Until
they can get their sh*t together, there's no way in hell they should be
allowed into NATO.
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Correct. The Georgian forces need the US training badly and
frankly I think that at this moment it's NCO training where the money
is most needed. You can't expect of a country like Georgia to have an
army as professional as those in western countries, but even taking
that into account to say there is room for improvement is a severe
understatement.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dominique
They
need to make clean sweep of the officer corps, actually form a NCO
corps, and enforce discipline in the units (that doesn't mean you beat
your soldiers, but lead by example). It's a little hard when your
officers treat their troops like peasants. They'll never show them any
respect, you can't lead by fear alone.
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The attitude common in ex-soviet union militaries (and was also
common during the soviet union) is that troops are treated like ****,
and that usually if you show some promise your superior rather wants to
get rid of you then promote you, seeing you as a threat. Sycophants get
promoted while good people with promise get stuck. **** doesn't work,
and it'll take some hard work to change that attitude.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dominique
At
a minimum, it'll take them five years to weed out the old guard, and
start replacing them with a better trained officer corps. If they start
now, it'll take five to ten years before they have a seasoned NCO corps
within their enlisted ranks, and these guys will be the backbone of any
force they field.
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I'd say this should be priority one for the Georgian military.
You can have all the best weapons in the world, but without proper
discipline they are completely useless. Over the years progress has
been made, imagining that the old special forces where the
Mkhedrioni..
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Originally Posted by abhaz
What
the goverment of Tbilisi is doing is buying expensive weapons from
Israel and the U.S while this money should be used to creat jobs or
maby restore the ecnomy of Abhazia which they bombed in early 90's.
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You are correct, less money should be spent on expensive weapons,
more money on more useful things like what Dominique explained and more
on improving the economy, although Saakashvili is already doing this. I
agree that the economy of Abkhazia should be restored, the minute the
terrorist clique has been removed and the refugees have been returned,
Georgia should make some proper investments in the region to restore it
to it's former state.
Quote:
Originally Posted by abhaz
The
majority of the populations of these republics voted for independence
at referendums. Although they are still not recognised by Russia, or
any other members of the international community, locals say Putin’s
latest initiative means a lot to them.
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Big surprise after those who were in favor of remaining with
Georgia have either had flee the region or were killed in the mass
ethnic cleansings.
Quote:
Originally Posted by abhaz
Georgia
showed its opposition by sending in tanks and armed troops. A violent
conflict erupted, resulting in 250,000 ethnic Georgians fleeing their
homes. Only Russian peacekeepers together with the UN observers managed
to put an end to the violence. They are still stationed in the Gali
region of Abkhazia.
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Russian forces armed the Abkhazians and helped them in the ethnic
cleansings, shelling Sukhumi and fighting alongside them. Abkhazians
violated multiple Russian-brokered cease fires yet continued to be
funded and armed by Russia and even after the ethnic cleansings are
supported by Russia to this day. As late as 1998 in Gali ethnic
cleansings took place right under the noses of the UN observers and
Russian "peacekeepers".
250,000 ethnic Georgians had to flee their homes because else they were
going to be killed by Abkhazians (supported by Chechens and Russians)
only reason the violence has ended is that there are no ethnic
Georgians left to either kill or chase out of the region. Russians
never did anything to stop the ethnic cleansing, let alone UN observers
(who did just that, observing).
Quote:
Originally Posted by abhaz
Georgian
efforts to convince Abkhazians to stick with Tbilisi have so far
failed. The majority of Abkhazians voted for independence in a recent
referendum. The authorities see Russia’s move as another step on the
road to independence.
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I ask you, did the ethnic Georgians who fled Abkhazia have a vote
in those referendums. Or those who were killed by the Abkhazians? Why
should those responsible for this be awarded with their own state? Why
would anyone even think about supporting them?
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