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Old 04-17-2008, 03:05 PM   #31
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Because those pics are older now. M4 were purchased by georgian army about 6 weeks ago.
The Commando Bn. was still using various AK, SVD, and RPK. And this was a couple of months ago.
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Default Build-up of Georgian troops on Abkhazia border causes concern

Georgia's breakaway republic of Abkhazia says it will take retaliatory measures unless Tbilisi removes troops that are reportedly building up on its border. The de-facto leader of Abkhazia, Sergey Bagapsh, says he’s seriously concerned about information of an increase in military presence.
Earlier, Georgia's president Mikhail Saakashvili demanded Russia reconsiders strengthening links with Abkhazia and Georgia’s other breakaway region, South Ossetia, calling the act a threat to the sovereignty of his country.

“We demand that Russia reconsiders all decisions that violate the sovereignty of Georgia. Meanwhile, our efforts will be directed at mobilising the international community,” said Saakashvili.

On Wednesday, Russia said it would work with the de-facto authorities in Abkhazia and South Ossetia, to help Russian citizens living there. The announcement came after President Putin instructed the Russian government to strengthen ties with the regions.

However, Russia maintains that the co-operation is aimed at simply bringing stability to the region and not about stirring tensions with Tbilisi.

Abkhazia and South Ossetia declared independence from Georgia in the early 90s, but remain unrecognised internationally.

Meanwhile, residents of Abkhazia, most of who have Russian citizenship, say they welcome the prospect of closer links with Moscow.

The majority of the populations of these republics voted for independence at referendums. Although they are still not recognised by Russia, or any other members of the international community, locals say Putin’s latest initiative means a lot to them.

The Abkhazians speak Russian to each other most of the time. They watch Russian TV shows and the only currency accepted there is the rouble.

In the early 1990s Abkhazia proclaimed independence from mainland Georgia, parting from the former Soviet republic.

It was originally Joseph Stalin’s decision to put Abkhazia under Tbilisi’s jurisdiction, but after the fall of the USSR, the Abkhazians felt they would be better off without Georgia altogether.

Georgia showed its opposition by sending in tanks and armed troops. A violent conflict erupted, resulting in 250,000 ethnic Georgians fleeing their homes. Only Russian peacekeepers together with the UN observers managed to put an end to the violence. They are still stationed in the Gali region of Abkhazia.

Georgian efforts to convince Abkhazians to stick with Tbilisi have so far failed. The majority of Abkhazians voted for independence in a recent referendum. The authorities see Russia’s move as another step on the road to independence.

”We have a special dream and certainly every positive move is being taken as a step towards it,” said Sergey Shamba, Abkhazia’s Foreign Minister.

somebody get an idea why US is training georgian troops ?
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Old 04-18-2008, 02:25 PM   #33
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The Defence Minister of Georgia met the US Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for European and NATO Policy

April 18, 2008
The visit of the US Defence delegation is continuing. Nine-person delegation led by DASD for European and NATO Policy, OSD, Mr. Daniel Fata met with the Defence Minister of Georgia, Davit Kezerashvili today. The meeting was attended by the Ambassador of the Unated States to Georgia, H.E. John Tefft.

The Defence Ministry of Georgia were presented by the Deputy Defence Minister, Giorgi Mushaidze, Chief of the Joint Staff, Col. Zaza Gogava, Deputy Chief of JS, LTC Giga Tatishvili and Military Attaché of Georgia to the USA, Malkhaz Jamureli.

In the framework of the meeting parties discussed issues concerning prolongation Georgia’s peacekeeping mission in Iraq for additional 6 months. The technical issues for train and equip program for 4th Brigade were discussed as well. Georgian servants will train by Georgian and US instructors jointly. After completion special training cycle, 4th Brigade will rotate the 1st Brigade now serving in Iraq. Parties talked about terms of the US instructors visit and Georgia-USA commitments and responsibility matters during the training process. The visit of the US specialists (special instructors) is planned in the middle of May.

“We discussed Georgia’s Armed Forces creation, transformation and fighting capabilities farther development issues. We talked about rotation of our military contingents in Iraq and their logistical maintain concerns as well. In this case we agreed concerning joint military trainings which will lead in May.”- Declared the Defence Minister of Georgia.

“I have been in Georgia three or four times and this is my first time on this job. I continue to be impressed by the progress that I see in Georgia just in terms of the State, in terms of the Government and in terms of the Georgian Armed Forces transformation. The USA and Georgia’s defence relationship is one of the strongest that we have. Georgia has stood side by side with the USA Armed Forces in Iraq and in Afghanistan. At Bucharest the President and Defence Secretary expressed appreciation to the Georgian Government for all they are doing and they have done and will do with us together and that is very strong partnership we have between our two governments.” - Mentioned Mr. Daniel Fata.



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The Delegation of the US Secretary of Defence at the Defence Ministry of Georgia, 17 April 2008


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Old 04-18-2008, 02:40 PM   #34
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I didn't know some Ukrainian soldiers were conducting their mountain training in Georgia, ..
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17 April 2008
The Ukrainian militaries underwent winter mountain training course in Georgia. Graduation ceremony of the Training Course was held at Sachkhere Mountain Training School today.

15 Ukrainian military servants led by Capitan Igor Mamchur were granted certificates.

The graduates were trained by the Georgian instructors during 21 days. Military personnel were trained in movement on the ice, mountain rescue operations and evacuation of the injured from the cracks.

By the end of the ceremony graduates were granted souvenirs by leadership of the Sachkhere Mountain Training School and Military Attaché of Ukraine in Georgia, LTC Dimitry Nikitishin.

Graduates are presented from various units of Ukrainian Armed Forces. The training went through regarding of bilateral agreement between Georgia and Ukraine It is expected that the Ukrainian militaries will undertake summer mountain training course in Georgia.


Climbing up Mkinvartsveri, Georgian Army Mountain Training Course



Georgian Army Mountain Training Course



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Old 04-18-2008, 03:21 PM   #35
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German Bundeswehr Trains the Trainers of Developing Georgian Army NCO Corp, ..

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10 April 2008
Instructors of NCO School of Hamelburg pay official visit to Georgia. Georgian and German colleagues held a briefing today.

Parties prepared draft of an action plan for one week. Training starts tomorrow and will be implemented in the framework of bilateral agreement of 2005.

During one week instructors of Georgia and German NCO Schools will exchange practical advices, will train assault at a city and forest, and will exercise for defending themselves in a forest.

Lieutenant Thomas Pitters leads German side; Georgian side is led by Lieutenant Rostom Kiknadze.


Training at the NCO School

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Germany Donates Equipment, Helps Modernize Georgian Military Hospital, ..

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07 April 2008
Three - member delegation of the federal Republic of Germany visited Gori Military Hospital today.

The visit aims to inspect military - medical equipments of the Gori Hospital.


German Embassy representatives inspected Critical Medicine Section, The Center for Nurses’ Permanent Training, the Traumatological-Orthopedic Operational Unit, bacteriological and Biochemical laboratories, the Department of Radiology, Computerized Axial Tomography and Echoscopy.


“The seen was exceeded the expectation. This hospital is high level medical centre, well equipped and provided with all material facilities. But we are ready support Gori Medical Hospital in the case of necessity regarding our bilateral cooperation’s priorities.” - Declared Permanent Representative of the Federal Republic of German, Dr. Christian Pernhorst.

In the framework of the Bilateral Cooperation between Georgia and the Federal Republic of Germany, German side transferred as a grant medical equipments to the Ministry of Defence of Georgia.


Arrival of medical equipment, last year




Unloading of donated medical equipment (File; December 2007)




German Diplomats at the Gori Military Hospital



German soldiers and diplomats at Gori Military Hospital



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Dutch Train the Human Resource and Personnel Management Staff of the Georgian Defense Ministry, ..

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21 March 2008
One - year Human Resources Training Project completed today. Project was led under the Planning, Programming and Budgeting System /Financial Management System (PPBS/FMS) framework.

The training started in January 2007 and aimed to retrain Human Resource and Personnel Management staff. The training program was led by experts from the Dutch Ministry of defense.

Official award ceremony of the Dutch experts was held at the Ministry of Defence of Georgia today. Deputy defense Minister Giorgi Muchaidze expressed gratitude and handed over honorable diplomas to the Dutch experts.

“The Public Management Program was provided successfully by Dutch experts during two years and participants of public sector passed above mentioned program” - declared Giorgi Muchaidze.
The head of Dutch delegation Edith Schrijver - Daniels granted certificates and memorable gifts to the Georgian participants of the training project.
MDI & ASSESS pilot - project has underwent in the Defence Policy and Planning Department.
The Dutch Ministry of Defence has actively supported of the Georgian Defence Ministry in development of Competences Management System’s Georgian version. Above mentioned system defines duties and functions of public sector servants in the defense sphere, identifies fulfillment of obligations and level of competence and qualification as well.
Dutch side will establish the Georgian version of Competences Management System in every structural units of public office step-by-step.



Dutch Experts Teach Course on New Human Resources Management (HRM) System



Dutch Experts With Students At Defense Ministry



Georgian-Netherlands Training Project Completion Ceremony



Dutch Experts Awarded For Their Help

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French Army Trains the Trainers of the Georgian Army Mountain School, ..
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21 March 2008
Winter Mountain Training Course was completed at Sachkhere Mountain Training School.
With the assistance of the French Specialists, 14 instructors of the Mountain Training School underwent the training program on the basis of Georgian-French Agreement signed in 2004.
Today Georgian instructors were handed over diplomas of the Group Commander of Mountain Unit.
The Chief of Joint Staff of the Georgian Armed Forces congratulated the military servicemen on the successful completion of the course.
“This day is one more step forward. Georgian Armed Forces will have the mountain instructors trained in compliance with NATO standards” - stated Col. Zaza Gogava. The chief of training program Lionel Pechera spoke about the success of the Georgian instructors: “I am satisfied with the training level of Georgian instructors. They have achieved important success in this training. I hope all of them will become professionals.”
The four-week mountain training program included theoretical and practical trainings and was conducted in Sachkhere and Bakuriani. During the course the military servicemen were trained in movement in high mountaineous regions, searching and rescuing persons suffered with avalanche, as well as in technical skiing in paved-unpaved way. They also improved shelter setting up and obstacle overcoming skills in high mountaineous regions.
The next training course will be conducted in summer.


French and Georgian Commanders at end-of-Training Ceremony



Georgian Commanders Congratulates Graduates



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French Military to Help Georgian Navy Restructure, Modernize

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28 March 2008
Six - person delegation of French Armed Forces visited the Ministry of Defence of Georgia. The visit is held in the frame of bilateral cooperation between our countries and provides recommendations for Naval Force of Georgia in the process of its restructurisation.
French delegation led by Captain Boris Solin met with Deputy Head of Department for International Relations and Euro-Atlantic Integrations, Mr. Kartlos Koranashvili and Head of International Relations Division, Mr. Davit Nadaraia.
Guests met with Head of Department of Strategic Planning and Military Policy J-5, Col. Irakli Batkuashvili, Head of the Logistic Department J-4, LTC Mamuka Tskhvediani and Deputy Head of Operative Planning Department, Col. Nugzar Tsintsadze as well.
The visit is scheduled in the Special Eorce Brigade in Vashlijvari Base; delegation is going to meet with Major Dimitri Kiknadze tomorrow.
Representatives of the French Armed Forces will visit Batumi Navy Base and Poti Navy Squadron Vessels where they will hold meeting with the leadership of Georgian Navy.
In the framework of visit French delegation will be received by the Cief of Cost Guard Department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Deputy Minister of Agriculture and the Chairman of the Government of the Autonomous Republic of Adjara.


Delegation of French Armed Forces visits Georgia



French Delegation at the Defense Ministry

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Turkey Grants Additional Military Equipment to Georgian Military


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14 March 2008
The Republic of Turkey granted the radio-technical navigation devices to the Georgian Naval Forces. The technical equipment was transferred to Georgia at Marneuli Military Air Base today, on the basis of Military Grant Agreement concluded between Georgia and Turkey in 2005 and in the framework of Logistic Implementation Protocol.
The Act of Handover and Acceptance was signed by the Chief of Logistical Support Department of Joint Staff of the Georgian Armed Forces Maj. Nikoloz Dzebniauri and by the Chief of DAKOT, Staff Maj. Ahmed Kose on behalf of Turkey, on the territory of Marneuli Military Terminal.
Deputy Chief of Joint Staff of the Georgian Armed Forces congratulated the Georgian sailors on receiving the technical equipment.
“The Georgian Navy will be equipped with the modern systems. In the nearest future the equipment will be installed on the military vessels by the Turkish side. They will also assist us in training of the specialists. I want to express my gratitude to the Turkish side for their assistance.” - declared LTC. Alexandre Osepaishvili.
Military Attaché of the Turkish Armed Forces commented on military cooperation between Georgia and Turkey.
“Georgian sailors will be able to carry out maximal control on movement of vessels with the technical equipment having the most modern modification, by the way underwater as well. We are ready to support our Georgian colleagues in the future in order to deepen cooperation between our two countries” - stated Staff Colonel Sefer Ajar.
After the official ceremony the guests viewed the granted radio-technical equipment.


Turkish Delegation with Georgian Soldiers







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Old 04-18-2008, 03:22 PM   #36
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new ukraininian camo?
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Old 04-22-2008, 04:15 PM   #37
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Its been around for some time but they only hand it out to specialty troops.
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Old 04-23-2008, 04:43 PM   #38
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It seems it was soldiers from different units. On the rest of the picture you can spot the different camos used, ..

Sachkhere Mountain-Training School



Class pic




Diplomas

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More pics of the French Instructors and the Georgian
Mountain Training School, ..





French Instructors



French Instructors Lecture Their Georgian Students



Georgian Students Listen to Their French Instructor



Movement in High Mountainous Regions



Obstacle Overcoming Instructions







French Instructors and Georgian Students



Movement in High Mountainous Regions Instructions



Shelter Setting



Shelter Setting Instructions













Movements in High Mountainous Regions








French Instructors with Georgian Students, Mountain Rescue Instructions



















Georgian National Guards/Reservists Taking Five-weeks Tactical Fire, Urban Combat,
Military- Medical and Topographical Retrainig Course




Sachkhere Mountain Training Stage of Nine-Months “Charley” Land Forces
Junior Officers Training Course.

Course Set-up with Help of "Jewish" (aka Israeli ) Instructors



Multinational Class Trained by Georgian Instructors, Who Were Themselves Trained by French
Instructors




Class Pic With French Instructors



French Instructors










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Summer Mountain Course, ..





















Sachkhere Mountain Training School



Completion of the Second Stage of the Rescue Operations Course at Sachkhere Mountain
Training School




Multinational Class Trained by Georgian Instructors, Who Were Themselves Trained by French
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Class Pic



French instructor in Summer wear?




French Instructors and Georgian Student Class Pic

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Malkhaz Merlani; French-Trained Head of Georgian Mountain School:




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Immediate Response-08 Seaport of Debarkation Operations at the Port of Poti, Georgia

The 39th Trans BN, 21st Theater Sustainment Command, opened up the Joint Operation Immediate Response 2008 (IR-08) with reception, staging and onward movement operations at the Georgian Port of Poti on 29 June.

Working closely with their Georgian military counterparts and the Georgian freight forwarder, the 39th Trans expedited equipment onward movement through the port and onto the Georgia railway system.

“It’s a truly historic operation for us as this is the first time we will have executed reception, staging and onward movement with CONUS and OCONUS based troops and equipment into the country of Georgia for joint training.” said LTC Bob Curran, 21st TSC Early Entry Command Post (EECP) Commander.

The 39th Transportation Seaport of Debarkation (SPOD) Team cleared customs and staged equipment from CONUS, SETAF and 21st units that arrived via ship and rail ferry to Poti, Georgia.

Three trains were staged and secured, and moved out to the Varsiani Training Area (VTA) on a set daily schedule.

All equipment arrived safely and securely to the training site on time, on target so participating units could execute set up and training during the three-week joint event that will involve 21st TSC, [U.S Army Southern European Task Force (Airborne)], U.S. Marines, U.S. Infantry from the state of Georgia and Georgian, Armenian and Azerbaijani forces.

“The 21st TSC Soldiers are motivated and executing their MOS to a high standard and providing first class support to all.” said 21st TSC EECP NCOIC SFC Arreglado.




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SPC Nate Logue, SGT Derek Reese and SSG Vernon Norman, 39th SPOD Team, observe CONUS equipment rail load out after moving vehicles into proper position for lashing on rail cars at the Georgian Port of Poti

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How far will Russia allow NATO to come into Russia's backyard.
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U.S. troops get ready for exercise in Georgia

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By Sandra Jontz, Stars and Stripes
European edition, Thursday, June 19, 2008


VICENZA, Italy — Lt. Col. Edwin Hernandez has the detailed plans worked out to erect a small town, sustain it and then tear it all down again — all within a matter of a few weeks.


The lead logistical planner from Southern European Task Force (Airborne) is at the logistical helm for "Immediate Response ’08," an exercise in the Republic of Georgia.


The exercise "affords us the opportunity to train with our Georgian counterparts, who happen to make up the third-largest force contribution" to wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, said Lt. Cmdr. Corey Barker, a spokesman for U.S. Europe Command.


Hernandez’s planning for the exercise is worked down to the hour and pound: from exactly when the thousands of arriving troops will show up at the airport, to the amount of Army-approved food to feed about 2,000 soldiers at least two hot meals a day, complete with choice of meats.


"Why compromise?" Hernandez said, smiling, after rolling out his roughly 5-foot-long, plastic-coated detailed flow chart, his "pride and joy."

So he’s got tabs on the 158,112 pounds of Meals, Ready to Eat, the 352,000 bottles of water coming from Greece, the 132,000 pounds of ice and 660,000 pounds of food to be trucked commercially from Germany — a transport option far cheaper than flying in supplies, he said.

Oh yes, he also has accounted for the 61 short tons of small arms and explosives. "When this is all said and done, it’ll be about a $7 million expense," Hernandez said.

The U.S. European Command-driven annual exercise this year involves U.S. Army National Guard soldiers, a U.S. Marine Reserve Unit, and Georgian Armed Forces soldiers — headed by a command-and-control headquarters unit from SETAF. A handful of military representatives from Ukraine, Armenia and Azerbaijan also will participate.

"Immediate Response" is one of several EUCOM exercises working with partners.

The more than 1,000 U.S. troops bound for the Republic of Georgia will represent the largest presence of U.S. forces in the country, said Maj. Ryan Dillon, SETAF spokesman. "We learn from one another to be able to work in a coalition environment," he said. "That’s what the U.S. gets out of this."

The exercise has been in the planning stages since October, and is not a response to the recent tensions and fighting by breakaway groups in the region seeking independence, officials said.

The exercise will take place at the austere 4th Infantry Brigade base in Vaziani, about 40 minutes outside of the capital of Tbilisi.

Infantry guys will train for two weeks starting in mid-July, while the headquarters staff will be there for the month. Previous exercises were held in Bulgaria in 2005 and 2006, and Poland last year.

The exercise’s goal is to get troops to rapidly assimilate with each others’ fighting techniques — with the U.S. contingent learning from the others as much as the other way around, said Maj. Dave Klingman, SETAF plans officer.

The U.S. once again will train as allies with former foes, Klingman, a 17-year veteran, pointed out. "We’re breaking down barriers we put up for so long in the Cold War."

The U.S. infantrymen include soldiers from Georgia’s 1st Battalion, 121st Infantry National Guard element, and infantry Reserve Marines from the 3rd Battalion, 25th Marine Regiment, headquartered in Ohio, and augmented by handfuls of soldiers from other Europe- and U.S.-based support elements.
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Old 07-09-2008, 05:51 AM   #42
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How far will Russia allow NATO to come into Russia's backyard.
What else can it do about it beside voicing its concern?
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Old 07-09-2008, 09:11 AM   #43
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While they may dress in uniforms similar to the US, and some of them have US weapons, they aren't even close to US troops. Of the Georgian units I've seen, only the Commandos had any disciple. The regular units had SERIOUS disciple problems. They stole any and everything they could get a hold of, including the radio and antenna mount off of the HMMWV the NCOIC of their MiTT was driving. When confronted, their commander claimed innocence until the NCOIC told them they would get nothing else from the US military until his equipment was returned. So it "magically" appeared that night.

In Kuwait, they were routinely caught steeling from other units, they broke into shipping containers to steel MREs, and uniforms, many of them got caught steeling form the PX, they set several structures on fire because they were smoking in no smoking areas, etc., etc. Until they can get their sh*t together, there's no way in hell they should be allowed into NATO.
Correct. The Georgian forces need the US training badly and frankly I think that at this moment it's NCO training where the money is most needed. You can't expect of a country like Georgia to have an army as professional as those in western countries, but even taking that into account to say there is room for improvement is a severe understatement.

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They need to make clean sweep of the officer corps, actually form a NCO corps, and enforce discipline in the units (that doesn't mean you beat your soldiers, but lead by example). It's a little hard when your officers treat their troops like peasants. They'll never show them any respect, you can't lead by fear alone.
The attitude common in ex-soviet union militaries (and was also common during the soviet union) is that troops are treated like ****, and that usually if you show some promise your superior rather wants to get rid of you then promote you, seeing you as a threat. Sycophants get promoted while good people with promise get stuck. **** doesn't work, and it'll take some hard work to change that attitude.

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At a minimum, it'll take them five years to weed out the old guard, and start replacing them with a better trained officer corps. If they start now, it'll take five to ten years before they have a seasoned NCO corps within their enlisted ranks, and these guys will be the backbone of any force they field.
I'd say this should be priority one for the Georgian military. You can have all the best weapons in the world, but without proper discipline they are completely useless. Over the years progress has been made, imagining that the old special forces where the Mkhedrioni..

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What the goverment of Tbilisi is doing is buying expensive weapons from Israel and the U.S while this money should be used to creat jobs or maby restore the ecnomy of Abhazia which they bombed in early 90's.
You are correct, less money should be spent on expensive weapons, more money on more useful things like what Dominique explained and more on improving the economy, although Saakashvili is already doing this. I agree that the economy of Abkhazia should be restored, the minute the terrorist clique has been removed and the refugees have been returned, Georgia should make some proper investments in the region to restore it to it's former state.

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The majority of the populations of these republics voted for independence at referendums. Although they are still not recognised by Russia, or any other members of the international community, locals say Putin’s latest initiative means a lot to them.
Big surprise after those who were in favor of remaining with Georgia have either had flee the region or were killed in the mass ethnic cleansings.

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Georgia showed its opposition by sending in tanks and armed troops. A violent conflict erupted, resulting in 250,000 ethnic Georgians fleeing their homes. Only Russian peacekeepers together with the UN observers managed to put an end to the violence. They are still stationed in the Gali region of Abkhazia.
Russian forces armed the Abkhazians and helped them in the ethnic cleansings, shelling Sukhumi and fighting alongside them. Abkhazians violated multiple Russian-brokered cease fires yet continued to be funded and armed by Russia and even after the ethnic cleansings are supported by Russia to this day. As late as 1998 in Gali ethnic cleansings took place right under the noses of the UN observers and Russian "peacekeepers".

250,000 ethnic Georgians had to flee their homes because else they were going to be killed by Abkhazians (supported by Chechens and Russians) only reason the violence has ended is that there are no ethnic Georgians left to either kill or chase out of the region. Russians never did anything to stop the ethnic cleansing, let alone UN observers (who did just that, observing).

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Georgian efforts to convince Abkhazians to stick with Tbilisi have so far failed. The majority of Abkhazians voted for independence in a recent referendum. The authorities see Russia’s move as another step on the road to independence.
I ask you, did the ethnic Georgians who fled Abkhazia have a vote in those referendums. Or those who were killed by the Abkhazians? Why should those responsible for this be awarded with their own state? Why would anyone even think about supporting them?
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You can't expect of a country like Georgia to have an army as professional as those in western countries, but even taking that into account to say there is room for improvement is a severe understatement.
It's not an East-West thing. I was serving the Serbian Army (well, back then it was still the Army of Yugoslavia) when it was at it's lowest point, and even then we had an excellent NCO and CO cadres. We, the soldiers, were treated the way we deserved, those who performed well were rewarded with little things like extra showers and cigarettes, those who didn't were punished harshly. Also, little things, like remembering your soldiers' names, or not yelling at them simply because you can mean much to the average grunt.

Also, if the NCOs and soldiers are stealing, a better pay, as well as some serious punishment for those crimes, are in order.
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Georgian soldiers already look like US Soldiers (same weapons, almost same camo etc...)
Weapons and camo don't make soldiers.
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